Sounds good! And it’s a good point about licensing. Been thinking about this quite a bit in terms of sample libraries. They sometimes credit artists directly, but rarely in the case of the performers themselves. And it’s really hard to keep track of that data, unless you maintain a database of some kind. A flat-file database (with the filesystem) makes a lot of sense, in this case.
While it should really be pleasurable, not painful!
At this point, my sample collection is probably hundreds of GBs. Just the free packs from Noiiz were 15GB. Eventually registered for a full account (until tomorrow, it’s 100$/year). Also got stuff from Splice and Loopcloud and Ghosthack and Samples from Mars…
It’s really becoming a needle in the haystack issue. Especially since a whole lot of these samples are pretty much the same. For someone who’s not that enamoured with the TR-808 and could do without “4x4 loops” (straight 16ths in 4/4 beat), it’s tough to find my way around.
At the same time, there’s so much we can do with just about any samples.
My most recent “discovery” is about extracting the melodic information from a solo voice or woodwind into MIDI files (using Waves Tune) and doubling that with some synths. Really nice effect. Been doing that in a DAW (with Reaktor synths, mostly). But it should work quite well in Sonic Pi as well, using MIDI-handling techniques perfected by @robin.newman…
No drifting at all, @Martin!
The paralysis you describe is a big part of the issue. Like fiddling with technical problems, auditioning hundreds of kick samples isn’t usually my idea of musicking fun. It can be ok on occasion, but it requires a specific kind of concentration. And it’s not necessarily that inspiring, to me. Actually, the same thing happens with coding, to be honest. It can be hugely pleasurable to get into a coding mind with Sonic Pi. But there are many moments in my life during which other approaches to musicking are more viscerally fun. It’s all a matter of moment.
In my case, the choice paralysis has been leading me to experiment with diverse methods. Still accumulating quite a few samples from diverse libraries. Will hopefully get around to organizing some of them in a meaningful way. Got rather hopeful this morning as Noiiz announced it’d allow us to upload our own samples. It’s what pushed me to register for a full account. It’s quite limited (5MB per sample for a maximum of 5GB, not even giving us access to tagging, yet). But it filled me with hope.
While DAWs and plugins do have the features you describe and then some (time- and/or pitch-stretching, for instance), they still leave a lot to be desired. In a way, you have to fit the DAW, including the way it arranges a “project”. With practice, people surely get very efficient. And it’s probably easier for those who enjoy quantizing everything and adding a bit of swing later. But it’s pretty difficult to get into this.
The iOS apps created by Ampify (Novation/Focusrite) are rather interesting in the way they push for immediate playfulness and allow to organize things further on. Much of it is about selling soundpacks, but these samples really do go very well together, in all sorts of ways.
Would probably enjoy creating something similar for use in Sonic Pi. A set of, say, 20 loops which go really well together, no matter how they’re mixed and matched. Could then use a grid à la Launchpad (via TouchOSC or even my Lightpad Block) to trigger those. But it’d also allow for melodic playing of some onboard synths.
Thanks for humouring me, @synchron, @Eli, and @Martin! You’ve all given me more food for thought.